123_123
Joined: Apr 18, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 10:09
Can anybody discuss the possible importance of using different IP addresses when cross linking domains ?
I have say 100 different domains all covering different subjects. From a popularity point of view, what is the best way to take advantage of any particular cross linking strategy, and in particular shpuld each domain have a different IP address ?
Thank You
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Vinnie
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 15:19
It's been discussed on here a few times in the last couple of weeks.
Really briefly: Reciprocal linking from non-quality sites and links is about dead and gone. Google caught onto this a while back. All those trashy phentamine links and links that are not relevant and all on the same C-Class IP block have now diminished.
Whats good:
Reciprocal linnking is fine if it's from relevant content and good quality. Google will check the backlinks of who links to you and what kind of site is it.
Whats really good:
Is to to have a inbound link from a high quality site on a different IP address or rather C-block.
I don't mind going into a longer technical discussion another time in regards to the ins and outs of c-class. There are others on this board probably knowleadgble about this subject as well.
[ Message was edited by: Vinnie 04/29/2005 09:43 am ]
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 16:25
what is the best way to take advantage of any particular cross linking strategy
I wouldn't do any cross-linking from any domains that you own and expect to get any benefit from it.
Google parses whois data (they're also a registrar), so they know all the sites that you own. So, not only should you not cross-link by making sure each domain is on a separate class C block, you shouldn't link just because you expect to get linking benefit from it.
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hans
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 16:49
123,
I ignored everyone as I was interested in what the results would be.
I used around 10 domains, 10 different templates, a couple of seperate IP's and registered the site to 10 different people. All used different content but it just didnt work. As google doesnt just look at who is linking to you, they also look at who is linking to the people linking to them, and who is linking to them and so on.
I have seen a really good SEO, getting people to set him up a third level of their domain and cross linking as well as building links.
That works relatively well, but its not a long term SEO strategy.
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Vinnie
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 17:47
It doesn't work that way, it's got to be compeltely different c-class blocks.
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 20:44
Moderator, I have received three emails telling me about new activity on this thread but no further posts has been added to the above thread !!!
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 20:51
Ah, the posts have now turned up !
Anyway, Are you saying now Google actually checks WHOIS records for the Billion odd domains etc that are indexed ?
What next I wonder, DNA records of the webmasters ?
I am not so sure they are too concerned about who owns a domain although I may be wrong of course. Surely relevance of each domain is more important ?
I own a California Internet Corporation, which owns all the websites/domains. Why should it be penalised because it owns a lot of internet real estate
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Vinnie
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:20
Look, Google had to do something about the cross linking. Think about it a second. Web & SEO firms with hundreds of clients are able to manipulate search engine ranking by cross linking all their clients together. It's bad for business, it gives an unfair advantage. What happens is this: You start seeing real crappy webistes sitting at the top of the search engines becasue they got something like 1000 backlinks that are from the same guy's IP.
It was long overdue they would tighten up on this behaviour. Quite frankly, any SEO that has to cross link all their sites to gain rankings, I would seriously question his/her ability to be working in this industry.
Recently, well established firms and directories have gone down becasue of the very same issues here, cross linking and linking from questionable areas.
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:25
But I thought the google approach was to give credance to sites that have incoming links from similar sites ?
Just because for instance I happen to own the other sites does not make them second class links does it ?
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:34
Just because for instance I happen to own the other sites does not make them second class links does it ?
It doesn't necessarily make them second class links. At the same time, though, you have to ask yourself why you're linking to them in the first place? Personally, links to other sites I own normally include the rel=nofollow attribute.
Google tends to trust links more if they're from unbiased sources.
Are you saying now Google actually checks WHOIS records for the Billion odd domains etc that are indexed ?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. They are now a domain registrar and they don't plan on registering domains. They're using the data they have access to to find out more about the history of who has owned domains and who owns domains. In other words, they want to find out who is cross-linking domains--and discounting or penalizing them.
123_123, sometimes you have to clear your cache to make those new posts show up 
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:40
So cross links say on the paypal website,and the ebay websites, or the overture website cross linking with Yahoo, would be considered biased linking ?
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:44
Yes, I could call them 'biased links' if you want to use that term. That's actually a term/phrase that I just made up in this particular discussion.
But, it is my belief that the more unbiased links a site has the more the search engines tend to overlook the "biased" links a site has.
In other words, don't rely solely on links from sites you own and reciprocal links. If you do, then the site won't rank very well. If you want to read more about it, I would look at this thread here, which discusses LocalRank.
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 21:57
I understand what you are saying and dont wish to be argumentative, but I think the theory that Google does whois searches for every domain under consideration is pushing the envelope a little.
How can they possibly check if Company A is also owned by Company B, and a holding company C controls all of them, nah, that's just pushing it too far, they are handelling just too many websites.
These days and excluding link farm sites, there are very few even blue chip websites that will link to another site without some sort of reward involved, and in those circumstances they are "biased".
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2005-Apr-29 22:03
How can they possibly check if Company A is also owned by Company B
You're right, I don't think they go that far. However, if the domain owner in the whois record is the same for two domains then they would most likely discount any links between those two domains.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2005-Apr-30 20:18
>> I have say 100 different domains all covering different subjects. <<
This is how most of the usual SE spam operates. Just avoid linking this lot together; you'll see little or no benefit from it. It is very easy for Google to detect it.
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123_123
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Posted: 2005-Apr-30 21:22
At the last count, Google has indexed more than 266 thousand pages of this forum, which must do something for the domains apparent popularity. Every time somebody posts something however menial, another HTML page is created. Why does this forum not put a noindex tag on the pages ? On a typical thread which has a whole load of sequential posts such as::Yes, no, I agree, I dont agree, etc etc, that creates an artificial boost to the domains ranking abilities, by people putting one liners in threads. In my view that is why members cannot put there site URL's directly in threads in case the robots go off towards the members page rather than continue with the spidering of the forum's site.
So why is it so bad to create link popularity by linking a series of websites or domains that has seperate IP's ?
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g1smd
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Posted: 2005-May-01 00:33
This site is a collection of web design, SEO, and marketing wisdom, it isn't a vehicle for passing pagerank to people who make one post here about nothing in particular just to backlink to their own site. Those type of posts get deleted, several per day.
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noon_an_night
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Posted: 2005-May-01 00:39
I agree to disagree with 123…there are many important and beneficial topics/subjects in this forum, and if they are deemed relevant enough to climb the virtual staircase that is Google so be it. If I am looking for information on SEO or click fraud or any other internet marketing research, I want to find the best info at there, and sometimes it is right here on this forum. IMHO searchengineforums.com is top notch...
NAN
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dcaff03
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Posted: 2005-May-01 21:47
The basic concept is:
If you are cross linking because these links will actually present benefits to your human visitors...then there could be a real reason to do this..
According to your opening post here...you have 100+ domains all covering different topics...why would you link these together? Is there some common sub-theme throughout these various web sites that would warrant links? Probably not...
But, for all practical purposes, if your goal in cross linking is to boost your PageRank or link popularity then you are heading for trouble...even if each domain is hosted on different class c's ... and since "you" own these domains ... then Google already has this information stored and calculated per domain....so I would be real cautious if this has cross your mind....."well, I will just go in and change all the WHOIS data....dummy it up"...bad idea...
Your best approach is to do the "REAL WORK" and make sure that each of these separate domains that you own covering separate topics...have their own set of unique, valuable inbound links pointing to them from source outside of your ownership...get busy...it will be totally worth the effort..
do not cross link them...
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