thewebxpert
Joined: Oct 15, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 05:43
Most people (so-called high profiled IT professionals) reject SEO from the very pronunciation of the word. They call it SPAM. But they really do not understand that only SEO has attracted millions of people to look at the online business seriously. i just want you people to join me against those who reject SEO. Common SEO professional join hands in hand. You can write slogans, statements, views. But no abusive languages please!
[ Message was edited by: JimBot 10/16/2007 12:52 pm ... Reason: Self-Promo Link to Website Deleted. ]
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 06:11
Hi and welcome to the SE Forum 
In case you missed it I will share this with you As per our forum rules, please do not include any URLs (website links),
signature text, spam, or self-promotions within your post. Thank You
If you don't edit it yourself a MOD will.
You can put your site in your profile for others to see.
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On to your post - I was not aware the IT people or others thought this way of SEO.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 07:29
Your post points to one of the reasons that people have a hard time with SEO.
Many people consider it to be associated with spam.
They most usually see this when people join a forum purely to drop links to their site.
Can you spell irony?
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mj1256
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 17:48
heck, even some SEO people think its a license to spam.
again, we get drive by spam by people claiming to be doing it in the name of SEO
its the balck hat tactics and the damage that it has done to some websites that have given SEO a bad name in some circles
This forum promotes white hat SEO
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usaweb
Joined: Aug 14, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Oct-23 16:12
hi friends,
SEO is not all about spamming.SEO's are very helpful to u to pronmote ur site to increase ur business.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Oct-23 16:24
Most people (so-called high profiled IT professionals) reject SEO from the very pronunciation of the word. They call it SPAM.
Not so.
There's two groups of people who reject SEO:
1. High profile idiots, who simply don't know any better.
2. Spammers, who do so to try and justify their cheating.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2007-Oct-23 18:49
>> High profile idiots... <<
Now, would you be thinking of someone with the initials JC perhaps?
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2007-Oct-23 22:07
Jesus Christ perhaps?
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Oct-24 09:44
>>> High profile idiots...
>> Now, would you be thinking of someone with the initials JC perhaps?
> Jesus Christ perhaps?
Naughty Hampstead - go stand in the corner for 15 minutes
G1 - funny you should say that, the JC who attacks SEO just to get his pathetic 'human powered search engine'[sic] talked about[yawn], is one such idiot. Tragically, not the only one!
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kynduvme
Joined: Apr 18, 2001
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Posted: 2007-Oct-25 17:26
One could make the argument that SEO and Spam are synonomous (i dont beleive this but it is an interesting point)
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Oct-26 08:27
You could make an argument that black = white; but it wouldn't change anything. 
There are two differences between spam and SEO that no amount of verbal gymnastics can hide.
1. Spammers do what spammers do with the INTENTION of gaining an unfair advantage; while you could argue that moral values are irrelevant, it's hard to argue that they don't exist.
2. Spammers do what they do in the full knowledge that what they do is deprecated, against guidelines and is cheating.
There are issues about those who have been poorly advised, have been careless or just plain stupid, and this thread, like many before, may get sidetracked into such issues.
But if you compare plain old fashioned spam and plain old fashioned SEO, you'd have to try quite hard to confuse the two.
And this matters; spam is NOT a 'victimless crime'; those who cheat are depriving others of what's rightfully theirs - not just a place on the front page of the serps, but possible income that might follow.
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kynduvme
Joined: Apr 18, 2001
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Posted: 2007-Oct-26 19:46
I always laugh at the use of the word "moral" when speaking about SEO. If you want morality I would suggest you find a local church/synagogue/ young republican singles mixer or whatever you align with and go there.
SEO is all about manipulation, whether you are within the rules or not.
"2. Spammers do what they do in the full knowledge that what they do is deprecated, against guidelines and is cheating."
Quadrille is right in saying that.
I would just add that White hat SEO does not intentionally try and HIDE their tequniques for manipulating search results as they are ready and acceptable by search engine guidlines and do not risk penalties.
[ Message was edited by: kynduvme 10/26/2007 12:10 pm ]
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seo_expert_1
Joined: Oct 29, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Nov-02 13:38
Hi
Honest to you guys Seo is a science those who are failed to be a Seo scientist then they turn out to be Seo spammers. What i believe their is no such term like Seo Spammer exists either one is spammer or Seo.
WoW & Cheers
[ Message was edited by: Dinkar 12/14/2007 10:40 pm ... Reason: Sig. edited as per TOS ]
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Nov-02 14:30
>> either one is spammer or Seo.
Quite right.
But some spammers are easily confused
They get like counterfeiters who think they are making real money!
Sad, but you have to laugh at them
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mj1256
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2007-Nov-02 19:12
I think the line gets blurred by people who knowing use back hat methods and naive uninformed individuals that THINK they are SEO experts and unknowingly use black hat thinking they have a license to drop by this forum and sell sneakers.
too many people are setting up shop that actually know nothing.
look what some SEO expert told a friend of mine to do
wbflegalreform.com/
check out the keyword lists
the real problem isn't seo spammers and white hat vs. black hat, its the SEO expert that doesn't know what he's doing and ruins their clients sites, that's the problem.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Nov-02 19:54
They are both problems.
The idiot SEOs make life difficult for their clients - no-one else - though they may get SEO a bad name.
The spammers make it difficult for their clients (who end up with penalties), Google, and Internet searchers who get cr*p serps. And, while their spam succeeds, they make life difficult for their client's honest rivals, who are deprived of a fair serp.
How you can argue that the idiot is worse than the serial spammer, I'm not sure.
But I can guess
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Nov-03 10:03
Quadrille, This is no right about SEO. Ethical or white hat seo is the power of improving business for website.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2007-Nov-03 13:34
I totally agree. Where did I say anything that makes you think I would not agree?
But don't confuse SEO and Idiot SEO, which is the act of making a website, claiming to be "an expert SEO", then coming to forums with every little problem. Or worse, taking money in exchange for guesswork.
These people do harm to clients, and to the reputation of SEO, but it is small; the only clients hurt are those who seek SEO on the cheap, and make no checks before writing checks; and they soon learn, in most cases.
The problem for 'real SEOs' is that too few Idiot SEOs get taken to court. It's still too easy to pretend.
But all this is nothing compared to the serial spammer; it's like comparing an inefficient pickpocket with a smart-suited con man. Confusing the two is a sure way to get conned
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mj1256
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2007-Nov-03 22:45
right on
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dhana_space1
Joined: Nov 04, 2007
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Posted: 2007-Nov-05 06:33
actually the problem is...
professional SEOs they do the SEO in ethical and professional way...i.e no spamming.
the new comers or the beginners they think...spamming in all the forums and places..would help them...but actually..it is not.
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