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klovn
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Posted: 2000-Oct-23 22:02
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I`m currently working on a site which is not yet finished. The site has no content at all except for a few links. I have naturally not submitted the site anywhere, and I`m using both robots.txt and meta tags to stop the search engines from finding my site. Two days ago I did upload a new site design including a brand new email address listed as the webmaster contact address. Today I get two different emails advertising the Looksmart Express Submit service.

Both emails are from submit@looksmart.net and sent to the my new email address which has never been used anywhere except at my new site. Both emails starts with: "You are receiving this email because you have expressed an interest in having your site in LookSmart's Directory. If you do not wish to receive further emails regarding our services, please follow the instructions at the end." Well, I didn`t submit my site to Looksmart (or anywhere else) and did never give that specific email address to anybody.

Strange...


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Shianna
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 13:26
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I am interested in finding out what the average click to search and click to sales ratio is for the #1 or #2 spot? I did some math and it doesn't seem to add up. the term I want to bid on is searched an average of 160,000 time a month the bid for the #2 spot is .68. If 50% of the people who did the search clicked on my link then it would cost me $54,400 and if 1 out of ever 100 visitors buys my product (my current click to sales ratio from normal search engines)I would only make $24,000 a loss of $30,400. So in that case I am afraid to even bid on that search term to see if goto would provide me with a higher click to sales ratio than the average search engine!



wly
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Posted: 2001-Nov-04 12:41
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I am currently using Findwhat and am pretty satisfied with the returns. I am planning to diversify. Which is the next PPC that I should goto? 7search or Kanoodle? I have heard good reviews about the two. Based on your experiences which does provide better quality traffic and returns? Also is this the right move? Or should I bid on Overture? But I have heard lately that they have been strict with their relevancy guidelines especially sites with only affiliate links.



Savannah
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 14:38
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Hi Shianna,

Unfortunately I don't have any click-through stats to offer you. However, what I will tell you is that you can set limits on GoTo as to how much you spend.

You can set your account up in a variety of ways. Among them is the choice to spend X dollars and not go over that amount.

Keep in mind, however, that GoTo's search results are now popping up on AOL and Netscape, Dogpile and others (at least positions 1-3 are.)

That means for your .68 bid, you'll get the potential 160,000 views from GoTo PLUS Netscape, Dogpile, AOL, etc., etc. that you DON'T have to pay for when someone clicks your link.

I certainly am not trying to talk you into using GoTo over a freebie but when I considered using a pay per click I viewed it this way...

For example: if my conversion ratio (on my site) is 100:1, I would need to get 100 clicks prior to getting 1 sale. My average first sale is around $250. That means I'm paying $68.00 to gain a customer who will spend at around $250 (the first time they purchase). I make $182.00.

On top of that, my listing shows up on AOL and Netscape and I get 2 more customers from them. Then I've only paid my original $68.00 to GoTo but have now earned around $750.00. My earning will be higher if I am able to turn these 1st time buyers into life-long, repeat customers.

Does that make sense? It really is a cheap way to advertise.

Savannah



notfunnyanymore
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Posted: 2001-Nov-04 13:11
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I have used both 7search and kanoodle and have found that the traffic from 7search converts better. Kanoodle sent a fair ammount of traffic, but it wasn't converting to sales.
You should try Search123. I've done very well with them.



Shianna
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 15:07
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Is that true about not having to pay if someone clicks on your goto link from another search site? It still say cost to advertiser next to the results. The whole reason why I am so interested in goto is that the are now everywhere, but if we don't have to pay for clicks coming from other search engines that show the goto results then that is much better!



PayPerClickAnalyst.com
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Posted: 2001-Nov-05 01:11
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notfunnyanymore...

| a bit off topic |

Out of curiosity did you have your Kanoodle
account set to receive the "sales driven"
or "brand building" traffic?



Matt Cook
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 15:25
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You DO have to pay for click throughs coming from other search engines. Goto pays millions to have the terms included and need to be paid to make there investment back.



notfunnyanymore
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Posted: 2001-Nov-05 01:51
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Sales-driven.



Savannah
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 16:55
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Matt,

Are you positive? That's not what I was told when I signed up for my account. I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just asking because that was not my information.

Let's put it this way (for my sake) I HOPE you're wrong.



wayneb
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Posted: 2001-Nov-23 16:15
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I have decided to let my account balance drop to zero in Kanoodle and will then cancel my account with them. I had a surge of traffic coming from Hotbar, which was not converting into sales at all.



haigler
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 17:50
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I think you have to pay for the other search engine listings too. If you look at a GoTo listing in Netscape it looks something like this:
http://info.netscape.com/fwd/srpttfgot/http://www.goto.com/d/sr?......

See, it hits goto real quick. There are two things I can think of:

1. They just want to track how many people are using GoTo listing on the other Search Engines.
2. They are tracking it so that the appropriate amount can be taken from the client's account.

I'm assuming it is the latter.

haigler



Ferret
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Posted: 2001-Nov-24 17:44
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Lycos and AllTheWeb are about to start using Kanoodle so I would go for them.



Matt Cook
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Posted: 2000-Oct-04 06:35
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Yes I'm postive.

Check out this page: http://www.goto.com/d/about/advertisers/adfaq.jhtml;$sessionid$SSXDB2YADGRTRQFIEF3QPUQ#a8

This one answers it best but read them all they will explain it even better.


Matt



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Posted: 2001-Nov-26 05:36
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Alltheweb + Kanoodle

https://safe.kanoodle.com/client_services/listings/espottinginfo.html

And

https://safe.kanoodle.com/client_services/lycos.html



Savannah
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 19:04
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Matt & Haigler...

Thanks. That puts a new light on things. However, I still think GoTo is a good deal depending on what you charge for your product/service.

In my case anyway, even if I DO have to pay for the other engines, I'll still make the money back (in theory) on one customer.

We'll see...




Col
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Posted: 2001-Nov-29 21:18
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Two points.

Is there a connection between alltheweb and espotting?

I can't see Kanoodles listings on espotting



Shianna
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Posted: 2000-Oct-03 22:55
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I went there and read the info. http://www.goto.com/d/about/advertisers/adfaq.jhtml;$sessionid$SSXDB2YADGRTRQFIEF3QPUQ#a8
What I got out of it was that website owners can put a search box on their site for free but not that the advertisers won't have to pay for searches coming from other site. Plus I went to some other post on this board and found some other go to advertisers saying that their cost has gone up and sales have gone down since goto results have been showing up on other sites.




chrisuk
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Posted: 2001-Nov-29 23:04
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You have to choose search USA as your option, default is UK. They have been together for well over a year and a half now so obviously the partnership works well for them.

Chris



Col
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Posted: 2001-Nov-30 13:27
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chrisuk - Thanks. Just tried it and it sucks.

Its OK the first time, but if you then try another search term it reverts back to the UK version.

You have to keep going back to the home page and selecting USA each time you search.


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